Wiring Thread

Discussion in 'Modding and Hacking - Consoles and Electronics' started by Nully, Jul 8, 2014.

  1. AUSTIN PEYTON

    AUSTIN PEYTON Peppy Member

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    I have some depressing porn
    It's a very rare kink
    The trace was eaten up so I jumped the two points on this mission stick
    I think I could have done a bit less on the stripping and length of the wire. Doesn't help I used a potato soldering iron
    It works tho.
     
  2. L2000

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    [​IMG] Not wire porn exactly but let’s say assisted debauchery , TX quicksolder boards which I had left , customer jumping a bit late into the XBOX360 homebrew scene , decided to install the QSB’s as I never really use them and to get a feel for the ol modding scene , just wanted to share .
     
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  3. L2000

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    Shout out to 15432 , Alexi you’re the man ...Consistent Insta boot
     
  4. MangledLeg

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    Out of interest - any links to where you're buying your wire? Those clean installs look amazing but I have trouble keeping the wires in such neat arrays for my installs!
     
  5. L2000

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    Are you referring to me? Or the previous installers ?
     
  6. Nully

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    30awg kynar wire from eBay, smd tweezers, fiberglass pen, liquid super glue, side cutters/nail clippers for stripping wire.

    Does this help? This is how I do it then you can contort it and it will keep it shape, using the super glue to hold them all together. I don't recommend tinning all the pads, I just have a ton of these and am trying different and more efficient ways to do them quicker. I can crank one out in about 15 minutes, even though this looks more difficult than the stringy mess most people end up with, once you get it done it's super easy. Also use your multimeter to probe for alternative 3.3v/GND points and be sure to use slightly thicker wire.

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  7. citrus3000psi

    citrus3000psi Housekeeping, you want towel?

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    I would avoid super glue if possible. It looks fine now, but open the console a few years down the road and it will be a white residue.
     
  8. Sloth

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    I can't afford anything fancy like a microscope (one day, maybe!), but I use a circular-light magnifier that I got off eBay. I'm not sure what the magnification is, but it certainly makes soldering some of the tiny points on a PS2 modchip install, for example, a lot less difficult!

    Looks a bit like this.
     

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  9. Nully

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    So what do you use then? That’s all I’ve ever read of people using.
     
  10. citrus3000psi

    citrus3000psi Housekeeping, you want towel?

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    I don't use any types of glue. I just bend the wires and manipulate them so they stay in place. Like this image.

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    I've opened consoles years later and no residue. But I also make sure thr glue doesn't touch the console. Only the wires to each other.

    My day job we also use super glue for attaching ends of linear scales and no issues or residue and it's been done this way for decades.

    Maybe it's an issue with a specific type/brand? Or a reaction with something else you are using (flux maybe?)

    or maybe not leaving it long enough to be fully cured so it doesn't give off the vapours before closing up the console?? All the consoles I do this way are left open for a few days (not for this reason specifically just how my work flow is). Maybe that's the difference?
     
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  12. Nully

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    Can you explain how you’re doing the vias so neatly citrus or is it just a mess you cover up with the chip afterwards? Just trying to get this down 100%.

    The super glue I use is Loctite gel or one that you brush on. I coat the wires then have a fan on it to cure it so it’s not on the board itself. I would think flux would dissolve the super glue with it being alcohol or hexane based so maybe that’s why it didn’t work well when you tried it back then. Seems fine to me.
     
  13. zzattack

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    Gotta brush the vias with fiberglass first, then I usually add leaded to them. Looks like he used a bit of extra solder while tacking down the wire as well.
     
  14. citrus3000psi

    citrus3000psi Housekeeping, you want towel?

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    I'm just going buy opening up others consoles and see the white stuff. I just looked it up:

    https://www.permabond.com/2009/11/1...powdery-residue-when-using-instant-adhesives/




    For the wires that are hidden in this particular picture. I will solder the 5 wires in place, but keep each wire at a different length and then make note of this. Then I will place the chip on top. Knowing what wire goes to what, I will take the wire with tweezers, and use my iron to help me strip the wire. If you look at the picture you can see how of the shield doesn't look perfectly stripped.
     
  15. Bad_Ad84

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    Fibreglass brush takes off too much of the surrounding solder mask and can leave you causing a short to ground or a power plane. I just use a very sharp scalpel to expose top of the via.

    Edit: yeah, your link and what you describe is probably people closing up the console too soon or Not using fast drying glue. I use quick drying and leave it open for awhile (I tend to route all wires ans glue them, then come back day or 2 later to actually solder to the modchip). Mostly due to not having much free time these days, so do it in stages.
     
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  16. Nully

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    Sweet, thanks for the tips man. I usually just wrap it around the corner, but I'm just waiting for someone to crack one of mine open and start bitching it doesn't look like Jinn's work. This looked better without the kapton tape obviously, but I'm almost to that point. I've seen some really nasty installs from customers on eBay who have had me redo theirs, if you look on Youtube people like Mr. Mario or whatever likes that spaghetti install so I guess other people think that's "normal", but if I'm charging $50+ an hour I want it to be close to top notch.

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    I got a lot of 20 PS2 slims so I'm sure I'll be hitting the mark in the next few. I'm not embarrassed of it, it can just be better as I don't like to half ass something I charge people for. My personal PS2 has a really bad install from years ago and it's still working fine almost a decade later lol.
     
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  17. Nully

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    Do you have a guide or anything about proper levels of solder mask removals in this sense, I usually try to stay on top of the via but even when I go in a circular motion some of the mask comes off but not to where it looks suspect that I've gone too far. Wasn't aware that was a real problem.
     
  18. Bad_Ad84

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    Some of the ps2 slim vias are surrounded by a ground plane. It's quite easy to get some solder between them or some stray wire.

    If you can see copper, it's exposed. Using a scalpel is more controllable.

    Same with anything, do what works for you. Just some advice from doing this for quite some time.
     
  19. Nully

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    Scalpel huh, I'll order one and check it out. The pen is nice, but like you said has some collateral damage in the way you have to use it and the bristle size.

    This is the kind of stuff I've seen come in as non-working to redo. Yeah it "works" most of the time, but at the price point you really should be trying your best. Think one of these said he was charged $200 for and it was like the image below lol.

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    Oh man, that ground wiring; what. :confused:
     
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