Total arcade noob, thinking of getting an atomiswave. Is this how to set it up?

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  1. dark

    dark Intrepid Member

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    I love sega and snk games of the 90s and I like to collect sega console hardware (especially dreamcast). Since I own pretty much all the console hardware I want at this point, I'm now getting more and more interested in the atomiswave. A motherboard seems pretty affordable and compact, and it seems somewhat easy to hook up. The games are carts that can be easily swapped in and out, and the motherboard even has a vga out, so this sounds like one of the most approachable console-like arcade motherboards that could be run at home.

    I've never messed with arcade hardware before, but after doing a slew of google searches, is this all I'd need to get going for a barebones useable setup?
    -Atomiswave motherboard + game
    -supergun
    -joystick compatible with the supergun
    -power source?

    How do arcade power sources work? Does the power source plug into the atomiswave or to the supergun? Do they each need their own separate power? Is there anything else I'm missing to have a bare bones at-home atomiswave setup?
     
  2. MottZilla

    MottZilla Champion of the Forum

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    The Supergun plus the Atomiswave Motherboard with a Game Cart is all you need. The Supergun is what provides power to the game board generally. Unless you're getting beyond the JAMMA standard. But I think Atomiswave is JAMMA compatible. You might look into if it can output 31khz VGA. It should output 15khz RGB though if it supports standard JAMMA setups.
     
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    Xzx123 Robust Member

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    I don't personally have an Atomiswave, but one thing to keep in mind is that it uses 5 action buttons per player via the JAMMA harness. This is not a normal thing since many standard JAMMA games use just 3 buttons or less via the JAMMA harness. I'd wager that there is a good chance that your setup won't come with both button 4 and button 5 wired up (4 has a fair chance since single slot JAMMA MVS boards use 4 action buttons), so you might need to do that yourself.
     
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    Cool system, one of my favorite. You can also consider Naomi to play AW games, but it's more complicated and needs more space. AW is like an unborn console... just like DC it outputs 15 & 31khz, 480i/480p.
    Atx power supply is fine, you need to add a switch for turning power on/off.
    A supergun with 5 buttons support.
    Arcadeforge's MAK Strike, Smallcab Superguns can be used.
    A custom joystick with 5 buttons.
    If you can solder here is a nice design too...
    https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/Ig32tubt
    Here is how I use mine:
    https://flic.kr/p/nEuuJV
    https://flic.kr/p/nmdWV6
     
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    Cool. Would it be possible to have a good experience with just 4 of the 5 butons? It'd be convenient and cheaper if I could just use a 4 button neogeo pad/stick, and many of the games I'm interested in such as the SNK games typically used 4 buttons in previous iterations of games in the series.

    I'd heard about the atomiswave conversions for naomi, but I'm looking for a more compact setup than what I can do with a naomi and I have most of the naomi games I'd be interested in as DC ports. Are those chinese sites still selling atomiswave boots? Atomiswave stuff seems harder to find in 2017 than it was just a few years ago.
     
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    As far as I remember most games are 4 buttons like you said, but FOTNS is 5 buttons, I use the start button of the NG pad for that.
    They stopped producing those bootlegs, if you see a bootleg Dolphin Blue, don't buy it, because it hangs. SS6 also has a small glitch but not that important for most. However those games can be still found on the forums or Ebay, though the prices hiked. You can check Hklegend.com.hk for AW mainboard and games, they all sell original. And if you give my name (Yossi) as a reference, they can make a discount too.
     
  7. Gamemaster14XIV

    Gamemaster14XIV The Master of All Games

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    Personally when it comes to an arcade system that can play many games I always recommend Naomi 2. It plays all Naomi original games, plus the Naomi 2 games. If you add the GD-Rom drive it can run even more games. Plus there are not too many games for Atomiswave with only a few of them being affordable unless you like cheap bootleg carts that often glitch.

    Alternatively you can get a Net Dimm for your Naomi or Naomi 2 system and run games over the network or CF card if you don't care about owning original games and don't care about piracy.

    As far as superguns go, I personally think they are overpriced junk as wiring up an arcade power supply to a Jamma harness is not too hard and doesn't cost too much (like $50 ish in parts vs $100-$600 for a Supergun). Plus if you can get away with the smaller screw type power supplies, wiring in a standard pc power cord is easy as all you have to do is crimp solderless connectors on the 3 wires, then screw them in.

    I always recommend against an ATX power supply as they don't have an adjustable +5v line and their voltages can often be too much or too little for what you need. Like its not uncommon for the +12v to be around 11.6 or less. I have heard many people burn out or undervolt a board this way.
     
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  8. dark

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    Finally decided to buy an atomiswave. It's in the mail now. Are there any gamepad options for DB15 connections outside of the neogeo cd pad? I don't suppose the atomiswave has a maplebus on the board for DC controllers like naomi did?
     
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    Gamemaster14XIV The Master of All Games

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    Cool, What game did you get?

    I know of no maple bus options for Atomiswave, the only reason Naomi had it was for games released on Dreamcast and Naomi. Sadly no Naomi 2 games that can use Dreamcast controllers.

    As far as other options for NeoGeo style connectable controllers go, there are a few that I know. You can make your own custom arcade stick with the neo geo pinout (tons of tutorials online) or additionally, there is the Neo Geo to Sega Genesis controller adapter that takes a 15 pin Neo Geo port and converts it to the plug that Genesis uses with full 6 button support. Additionally you could use Neo Geo sticks, either the big rectangular ones or the kidney bean looking ones. Those are the only options I know.
     
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    Thanks. So far I've only got one game - Neo Geo Battle Coliseum - which was one of the main reasons I wanted the hardware. Looking forward to slowly building my library after I verify everything works. Expensivenes aside, very interested in Samurai Shodown 6, KOF XI, Fist of the North Star and Dolphin Blue. Faster than Speed looks good but I suppose there is no simply way to get controls set up for the driving games without investing in additional hardware?
     
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    Gamemaster14XIV The Master of All Games

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    I would imagine the Driving games would require a JVS driving setup, so that mean an I/O board, wiring harness, steering wheel control panel, and a set of pedals. I do not know for sure as all I own is my Initial D setup for Naomi 2.

    I always say, the easiest way to see what is required to get a game to boot is checkout the Arcade manual if there is one online. Usually the schematic or parts sections will show the parts that get connected to the board.
     
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    Ok the atomiswave came and it looks great, time to buy a supergun and power supply. The Supergun MAK strike stripped seems like its up my alley, it looks relatively small and simple but how to do video and sound out of it? I only see what might be a scart port? I live in north america where TVs don't have any scart input. Do I buy a scart to RCA cable?
     
  13. MottZilla

    MottZilla Champion of the Forum

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    The SCART output is probably RGB. You'd need something that converts RGB through SCART to perhaps Component Video. There are Superguns that can output NTSC video via S-Video or Composite. But that requires an encoder and costs more than just sending the RGB from the board to a SCART connector.
     
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    Gamemaster14XIV The Master of All Games

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    If your tv has a VGA or often called PC Input connection, you can connect the VGA video cord from the Atomiswave directly to the screen since most games (like Naomi) support the 30kHz mode which means the games display in 640x480 or 480p display mode over VGA.
     

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