Saturn Optical Drive Emulator

Discussion in 'Sega Saturn Programming and Development' started by jhl, Jul 11, 2016.

  1. -=FamilyGuy=-

    -=FamilyGuy=- Site Supporter 2049

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    You are defending yourself (and deunan) with a passion when nobody attacks you. All we say is that those current devices aren't cheap, that @jhl specifically stated he wanted his one to be affordable, and that he knows what's he's doing because of previous experience.

    I like deunan's devices, gdemu is as good as it gets, but I sure would appreciate competition in the niche and more affordable and obtenable devices.
     
  2. Droid III

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    It's such a shame it couldn't load 4mb roms though. The one single Gameboy game I wanted to play, that barely even works on emulators, did not fit on the card.
     
  3. TriMesh

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    I notice that you seized on the part of my comment that you could possibly counter by arguing I wasn't listening to what you were thinking rather than the much more significant part - which was that your assertion that the complexities and difficulties involved in getting something into production might be an unknown area for him was an invalid one because he had already got something into production.

    And this is a discussion board - to a large extent speculation is what we do here, so attempting to characterize it as some sort of vice seems a curious position.
     
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    If deunan's devices were priced at 80, folks would complain that they should be at 60. Just how this hobby works. Instant gratification prevents saving of funds.
     
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    To be clear, I'm not even saying that they aren't worth it. The time, parts, and research involved certainly warrant a reasonably high price. Regardless of fairness, it's just that 160+$ is a lot of cash for most people to spend. (Well maybe less so for some people on AG, but still).

    Also, I feel like deunan and mnemo could probably professionally manufacture some big batches instead of handling it manually in small quantities. They could lower their own workload while being able to sell more devices for cheaper and still make more money. It would cost them more upfront, but that's the price of an economy of scale.
     
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  6. TriMesh

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    Yeah, I think it had 4MB of flash on it, but for some reason only 3MB was available and 1MB was reserved - doubtless for some nefarious internal purpose!

    The other significant restriction was that it basically only supported MBC5 games - it's still a nice product though. I thought the FRAM was an especially nice touch.
     
  7. jopamo

    jopamo Stuck in Silly-con Valley

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    I wasn’t defending (or attacking) anyone here. I’ve got a full-time job, a family, and a mortgage (like many here), and it’s not my first choice to stay up watching my email notifications for video game stuff at 3am.

    The last time I ordered from Deunan, the product arrived in a soggy mess that was wet, dirty, torn AND TOOK NINE WEEKS to arrive (with no tracking). Bubble-pack envelopes are really NOT how things that expensive (and rare) should be shipped.

    Yes, he wants to keep shipping costs low. Yes, he wants to keep overhead low with small batch production. However, if he’s already employing people with assembly duties, can’t the current “hop to it, bitch!—then wait” ordering system be improved with additional resources? Sure! All it does is artificially inflate the hype surrounding his products to keep them relevant. I can only hope that this new device will induce Deunan to rethink his distribution strategy. Trust me when I say “his butt is not mine to kiss.”

    That said, my argument to Plavix was merely against him putting a device down on availability and pricing—something that can’t argued until BOTH products are in the market.
    As would I.


    ...or perhaps I needed not refute the other part of your comment, because I didn’t disagree with it. However, you stating him not “gouging” anyone indicated that you never really acknowledged the sentiment of my previous comment, in your comment. That wasn’t cool.
    I didn’t assume that they were an unknown area for him. Every project is different. Take for example the fact that parts for a product commonly need to be sourced with different suppliers. Last-minute supplier pricing changes, contractual conflicts, snags in manufacturing QC, and/or material(s) constraints... these are just a few of the many variables that can affect final product delivery schedule AND price. Just because someone’s done something before, doesn’t necessarily mean it will all go to plan for the next project.

    That said, I—again—never implied that this man would do anything intentionally unscrupulous to the Saturn gaming community. Basically what I’m saying is: “sometimes, shit happens.” I worked in global supply management for two tech companies, so this isn’t uncommon (even for big corporations).
    No one is characterizing speculation as a sort of vice, or anything thing else negative. Speculation, in this context, merely has questionable validity...and can therefore be misleading. As I’ve mentioned above: “shit happens.” No one can truly say what the pricing on this thing will finally be until its release.

    It’s also a curious position to slam someone with salient points. But this is a discussion board, so I take it for what it is...discussion.
     
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