I think you'll find that the gripe was entirely with people over there and how they behaved with you. Let me ask you - did you take anything out of the fundraiser for your time? And how much time did you spend collecting and scanning these documents, not to mention learning how to do all the technical stuff? Your time is worth money, my friend! They have no right to be arsey with you, especially if you're doing it for free. Your efforts are greatly appreciated over here. To be honest, you had a poor starter and that was inevitable with photocopies. However, you did a marvellous job and they're perfectly readable - which is the main thing. Don't say that you brought it on yourself - they should appreciate your efforts and, if they are more experienced at scanning and uploading, offer you advice in a friendly and patient manner. If you're giving your time for free so that they can receive these documents for a low price, they should at least offer you assistance in return. And, as I've said before, a snide remark was made about me, too. You'd better believe I'm going to say something about that!!
Oh, don't start me on them! Lol. If you haven't seen, some muppet on the SS forum just decided to insult me with a ridiculously low offer for my original manuals without even asking how many I had, then further insulted me by telling me that they aren't my property they're a wealth of information that should be shared and calling me greedy. It is pricks like that who make me never want to share anything .
I already explained why I wanted the highest possible quality scans of these. As far as I'm concerned, no more words are necessary on that; I don't see why you even brought it up again. As for being rude, that's because I value honesty above all. Those who know me know that I act like this not because I'm a rude person who wants to insult others, or because my vocabulary is limited (I'm the first to admit that it *is* limited), but because I'm polite enough to tell you what I honestly think instead of kissing ass. Well you didn't even state how much stuff you wanted to sell, nor how much you'd sell it for. See, it wen't something like: - you: "if you really wanted my manuals, you would've made an offer" - other guy: "hi, I'm making a polite offer" - you (EXACT quote): "If you're talking to me, no I don't have any plans to sell them for any price." And then you come here and feel all poor and insulted because 1 guy didn't offer a billion pecos outright for all your stuff, which you never even wanted to sell? So why make that point about selling to begin with, were you just pulling our strings from the start? Because that's how I feel every single time you mention those manuals, and it is really very tiresome, which is why why I called you a hoarder. Get back down to Earth to the rest of us please. Just for ONE Saturn manual, some 300$ was raised, so maybe YOU need to make a proper offer, and we can put together the money, hm? I mean, if you are remotely interested in helping the community, you know.
I happen to agree with retro - I appreciate your efforts and as I said earlier, they are extremely readable. Thanks for you time and effort
Because you handled it in a rude manner. It's not having a limited vocabulary - that's not a problem - it's having manners and being polite. THANK someone for their efforts then POLITELY suggest - not demand - that you might have a better method for them to try. YOU brought up (rudely) over there that I have the items and won't share them. You already knew the facts. You knew these, most likely, because you have read my posts here about them. I don't mention them often and, when I do, I state that I am not selling them at any price. Please, get your facts straight. LOOK AT TIME STAMPS. I posted a reply to you here first. Then I felt I needed to say something to the rest on SS. Then he replied to me. Then I replied to him. And then omp talked to me over here, so I replied here. Sure, maybe I was a little harsh, and for that I apologize - because I can admit I maybe shouldn't have said that and apologize, which is more than you do. THAT, my friend, is why you are rude. You do something that is rude, it's pointed out, and you flat out deny it, rather than apologize. The reason I brought it up here in the first place is because you denied that anyone was rude to him - so I quoted you from SS. I hate to see people thinking they have a right to demand everything the way they want it out of someone in a rude manner, who has offered his time to do this, most likely at no charge. Right, let me make this clear. Firstly, an offer was made to me for $100 Canadian for ALL my manuals... without even asking how many I have. Sorry, but if you raised $300 for one photocopied manual, $100 for all my ORIGINAL manuals is an insult. Secondly, and let me make this clear, I WILL NOT SELL MY MANUALS FOR ANY PRICE. Please, offer me $10,000. I will say no. Dead serious. Bring me the cash, I'll politely tell you it's a very generous offer, but they are not for sale. As I've said before, these have a value over and above money to me. Now, if I ever were to consider releasing these manuals, it would be on MY terms. If anyone did decide to be a rude prick and make demands or suggest they have a right to anything or to tell me what to do, I would pull the plug immediately. With that said, I am NOT planning to release them in the near future. And, if I did ever decide to release them, yes I'd be thinking about covering a good deal of costs, which includes weighing up the large sum I paid for the manuals in the first place, the amount they might be worth today, the amount that value would drop if they were released, how much of my time it would take up and what my time is worth. Make no mistake, though - there's no way you'll be seeing scans of my manuals in 2013. Now, you are the one who has to get back down to the real World and accept that sometimes, people have things that you want, but won't get. That's life - deal with it.
I was actually surprised how much they take, i can't remember the figures, but i had a whinge about it on the sega-16 forums. Also as it was getting near the end paypal put a partial block on my account due to the amount of funds in there. It was a mad rush to scan and send the papers they wanted.
Yeah, you need to have an account that accepts gifting. In the good old days when you could sign up for PayPal with a Credit Card (before, and I think after eBay bought them) they were charging 4.4% commission. I think nowadays you pay eBay/PayPal something like 10% in total when you sell something!
eBay take 10% but make sure they give you the full amount, ready for paypal to take another 5% of it. Once paypal have taken their share (who are the same fucking company), you still owe ebay theirs. So paypal take 5% of the 10% you are already paying ebay doing it this way.
retro: you brought up a point I already explained and apologized for, days prior. So yeah, time stamps and all that. Point is, it was already resolved from both my side and omp, so it's beating a dead horse, trying to raise a witch hunt, and/or attention whoring, to raise it up again. Take your pick. For the "insulting" offer the guy made, I'm not sure he was fully aware of the type and amount of docs you have. It was the price which omps manual was bought for, plus 25%. As for which of your posts came up first, they were all there when I first checked both forums today. As for you releasing your manuals on your terms: you have all the right for that because its your stuff to own. Likewise, I have all the right to call you a hoarder, because that's, like, my opinion, man. And you are reinforcing it... For the rest, let's keep that to the SS forum, no reason to argue the same things at both places. You aren't the only one to notice it: I had to convert my money from EUR to USD to AUD (your chipin link only allowed USD, I recall? might be wrong), and the next batch I would've sent would've had a much more complicated route.
Yeah, I did mention to him that I'm sure he didn't know and basically caught me at an off moment, for which I apologized. Still, it was a low offer, regardless. I clearly stated manualS in the plural. 25% more than the price paid for a COPY is a low offer for one original manual, let alone two or more. I'm sure you agree. Had he thought manuals meant two manuals, perhaps doubling the original price would have at least been a reasonable start. Glad you've settled with omp - it wasn't just you being a bit less than polite to him and other members over there though, hence mentioning it there. Do get your facts straight, though - any apology you made to omp here was a) made in the same breath as trying to state that the "ungrateful sods" raised loads of money and b) was made BEFORE replying to Kev's reply to the above (that money doesn't mean you can insult people) by saying nobody insulted him. I begged to differ with THAT POST, not with your apology. I thank you for your apology, but after making it, you continued to deny insulting him. My original thread point stands - to prove that statement was not correct and that he AND MYSELF were insulted by you (my own insult being before he'd even bought any manuals). You may have apologized to him, but you never apologized for the tone of your statement about me. However, as I said in BOTH my first post here AND on SS, I will take it as being a light-hearted comment (although I feel it was intended as a snide remark) and I made a joke about it. THAT fact has been completely overlooked by both you and the others who commented there, although I thank those who see my point. My post was basically saying - look, you guys have treated this kind person in a rather bad way considering all he's done for you - and come to think of it, you were a bit scathing of me. HOWEVER, I'll take that in jest, let's have a laugh about it. Instead of doing that, you chose to take something I said HERE and make it known over there OUT OF CONTEXT. I've apologized for what I said in haste on this forum over there to the person involved, yet you continue to be rude and relentless. For omp's sake, I'm willing to just drop it, although I'm sad to say that where I was trying to help you see fault in your mannerism, I now see you as a rude person. C'est la vie. 15%?! Sod that! I don't like selling on eBay for a lot of reasons, but that's really ridiculous! If I'm ever selling anything of value outside this sort of community, sod it - it's going to a real auction house!
At this point I can't really make out who is replying on whose insults anyway. Just some points: - if a community raised and paid x amount of money for a public release, that release should be made the way the public expects it. That is what I'd consider fair. So yeah, it means we have a word in it, as a monetary transfer was made in return of something. At any rate, I was only ever pushing for the best possible quality archival of something rare and so far unforseen. - I NEVER meant to insult omp, if I did, it was either completely unintended or something that was misunderstood; in fact I was trying to support him the entire time. - Calling you a hoarder was a light hearted but snide remark. I call lots of people that. No one has ever went atomic about it like you just did however. - I'd rather be considered rude but always honest, than to be always polite but sometimes not honest. If I think someone is a dickbag, I call them a dickbag in their eye, and not behind their backs. I've did this plenty of times, got punched in the face for it plenty of times, but that's because there are too many dishonest bastards out there. - If you said something hastily and made a mistake, don't blame others about that. They were your mistakes, and you are to face the consequences. These are all just differences in our morality. We could argue to the end of the earth with it. In the end you just have to try to see things from my point of view to understand. This is why I often butt into arguments I have nothing to do with and play devils advocate, to try to get others to think in other point of views as well (which may be equally logical and fair, but no one notices until pointed out).
I copied and pasted this from the Sega-16 (1st) thread. "I was very surprised at how much Paypal, as much as it is handy, they take the piss at their fee's! I have never been involved with something like this so it was a shock. I checked out a donation done at $100US, by the time Paypal takes their fee's and "converts" it to AU it is now $89.40!"
Druid, to be fair, your responses are getting a lot more reasonable, both here and there, so thanks.. I guess! As stated, I always took your comment about me in a light-hearted manner, anyway. I think I've made my position clear on scanning over there. It's not something I'm going to be doing at the moment. As I mentioned, though, there's a possibility of professional publication sometime in the future. omp - sheesh, is the US dollar practically the same as the Aussie dollaroonie nowadays?! Damn! Well, $97 to you is $100 to them... so you're talking about a $8 hit. About 8%, then? You've got to admire the eBay business model in a way. Charge people to list items (sometimes). Charge them for extras, if they want them. Charge a commission on the final value fee. Insist they accept your payment system... then charge them for accepting it! When are they going to buy the likes of Parcel2go (sorry omp - Parcel2go are a courier forwarder, they basically deal with the likes of UPS and DHL on a huge scale account and pass the discounts on to the actual shippers, i.e. us) and integrate shipping into their system, too?!?
If I was younger I would be doing cart wheels, I finished the Mega CD2 Service manuals this morning. So that is all the manuals I have, done. They should be uploaded tonight (my tonight lol!). Unfortunately no details on the JVC cd drive version, it only covers the Sony (main manual) and the Samsung (Supplement) cd drives. I am not sure if the JVC drive type made it to PAL (what these manuals are) land as it seems like a late revision, I guess it was the same as REV 2 and onwards Genesis 2's (as PAL people didn't get past REV1.8 I believe). *Edit Yes Paypal have their own "exchange rate" say if in the real world $1AU=$1.05US, Paypal will say $1AU=$0.98US, something along those lines.
retro: I'm reasonable for people who are willing to see reason. Which is only possible if you temporarily abandon your own point of view. Which is why I do that all the time. It allows you to understand other people much better, especially if they are partially similar to each other (to use as a leverage, a go-from point). omp: that manual already cleared up a few unknowns for me, even just from the ebay screenshots... identified one unknown manufacturer for example. The scary thing about Paypal is that their TOS gives them near total control over your account. If they wish to freeze and null your account, they can do it. And this is worrying because they are quickly becoming a financial entity the size of major banks.
omp - I had a look at translating the Mega CD manual. That small kanji has done my eyes in, I think! Yikes! The larger stuff and the katakana is no problem, though.
