Sega Saturn powers itself off

Discussion in 'Repair, Restoration, Conservation and Preservation' started by DragoonC, Sep 1, 2013.

  1. Druid II

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    Just to add something. I was modding an exact same model machine today, and with the modchip it produced a lot of noise for cd-audio. I tried taking +5v from different sources closer to the PSU input (that FUSE point next to it is the closest, most easily accessible one), this alleviated the problem a little but there was still some noise. Without the modchip I couldn't really hear any noise.

    Since changing the +5v source made a difference, I decided to swap out the power supply with a spare... and the problem went away. The bad power supply was the exact same VOLTEK model.

    Seems those units are more prone to getting faulty than the FD ones, which is odd since this is the opposite of the later power supplies, where the FD ones are less reliable.
     
  2. DragoonC

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    What do you mean with "noise". Like audio noise from your speakers or noise coming from the psu?
    Which modchip did you use?
    Always take the 5V from the mainboard pins, not from anywhere on the psu.
    Have you measured hte voltage on the mainboard pins?
    Maybe you must tweak the pot on the psu to get proper voltages.
    I adjusted them too!
    As far as I know, any noise is coming from unfiltered voltages, so there must be a cap thats bad.
    I swapped out all caps on the psu I repaired too.
     
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    Noise as in white noise, as in the cd audio stream got corrupted. I guess I could measure the power supply pins but it doesn't really matter now, I had a spare that has no faults.
     
  4. retro

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    What? 56uF electrolytic rated at least 400V with leads? They're easy to get. I just checked two of my distributors and they both have a plentiful supply.
     
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    @ Druid II
    I think the modchip is the source of the noise and when you put it behind the caps to get 5V the noise is a little less, cause the 5V get filtered till they get to the mainboard, so that reduces the noise. (sorry my english is not so good that i can explain it in professional)

    @ retro
    Do they have the correct messures and contact spacing as the originals ?
     
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  6. Druid II

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    I also concluded that the modchip is the source of the noise as with it removed there were no noise. It passes through the CDDA data stream by the way, but taps the CDDA serial clock, so not getting a clean +5v would certainly impair that part. It was faster to swap the power supply though. Maybe that power supply would also benefit from recapping, but as it is the exact same type power supply as yours, so I imagine the PWM switch you replaced is on deaths door on this one as well.
     
  7. retro

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    Yes, of course. All you need is the same lead spacing, or near enough. The height shouldn't matter too much, as they're likely to be shorter. The width can be anything that would fit but yes, they're within that. They have 5mm and 7.5mm lead spacing, but if it needed something else, you bend them.

    Just one example.... and there are TWO companies who make this spec....

    Capacitance 56µF
    Voltage Rating 400V
    Lifetime @ Temp. 10000 Hrs @ 105°C
    Lead Spacing 0.295" (7.50mm)
    Size / Dimension 0.709" Dia (18.00mm)
    Height - Seated (Max) 0.846" (21.50mm)

    Funny how you "made do" with a Panasonic, when they're one of the manufacturers I can get. ALWAYS check manufacturers' parts lists or databooks when sourcing parts.
     
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    And now the final question, is this cap low ESR ?
    I found a lot caps, but only this one i got has low ESR ;)
     
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    DragoonC, just wanted to thank you for this - my Saturn has issues with the power supply overheating and this might do the trick!
     
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    ok i had the same faulty the other week replace the top202yai fixed turning its self off its a transistor.
     
  11. DragoonC

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    @ MangledLeg

    Let me know if it helped.


    I did not know that so much people have this problem and no one ever tried replacing this component :/
     
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    Replacing mosfets is pretty common when repairing things like this.

    Never had the issue with a saturn myself though
     
  13. DragoonC

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    The only Mosfet I replaced before on consoles, was one for the fan in a xbox 360.
     
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    The fact its on a console doesnt really make any difference - its a power supply, could be for console, could be for a TV.

    Its good you have found what seems to be a common issue, but MOSFETs going is quite common. But now everyone having the symptoms is good :)
     
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    a) It says right there 10,000 hours @ 105 degrees. If it's over 5,000 hours, it's more than likely low ESR.

    b) The originals weren't low ESR. You don't need low ESR.

    c) Go and look for yourself! These are MAJOR distributors. Think of the largest electronics distributors in the World with International locations, and they WILL sell these components. They're made by MAJOR capacitor manufacturers. And if you REALLY can't find them, look at the sticky I wrote on component suppliers.

    You really should know these companies.
     
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    The only place I looked up were the local placed electronic distributors in germany ( they had none) and then ebay china.
     
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    Like I said, always check the major distributors. There are four Worldwide distributors listed in my sticky, all of which have German offices and stock this value capacitor.
     
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    Thank you for this thread. Just got a Saturn out of storage only to have it do the same thing! Don't have time to open it tonight but it could be the same thing.. Will investigate in the morning.
     
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    Thank you so much for following through on this and posting your results! Saved me a pile if debugging time! <3
     
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    A few people here mentioned switching the soldered in fuse with a fuse holder? In swapping my TOPxxx I shorted a connection and blew my fuse because I'm the worst. I figured I might as well replace the fuse with a fuse holder while I'm at it. Can someone post a link to a fuseholder that fits the MK-80000A psu board?
     

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