^^ ??? can't be arsed wasn't slating sites, and MEDIAWHORE wasn't the issue, i got mine from there, after some digging. afaic, this ordeal was left best untried, you're not at my machine, or could possibly understand. (YES, it WAS a TOTAL load bullshit, never fight intuition is what i'm saying!) again, appreciate your insight, illuminating as always... [late edit] please backtrack and READ! i never tried these in the HP pos, for the last freaking time, the two hdd's (now one) wouldn't work in the JCS javelin AND the vivanco ide enclusure. (if i didn't get HP OEM digits, there's NO way i be busting humps for that) the reason i trashed the seagate was getting that 'info' and getting involved (amongst other things) last straw, as it was. (worthless chatter, NO RESULTS! the 'discussion' was a waste of time for me, dunno about anybody else?) not partaking again, fuck that!