Any good REBALL service(s) here on this site? (Devkit)

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  1. Stipo360

    Stipo360 Dead Rising & XDKs

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    Hello everyone, for the longest time my XDK has been quite dead, and i mean DEAD, no power to the board.

    However today I decided I had nothing to lose so I might as well try to re-flow the board one last time on a very hot setting, making sure the solder melts under the chips, to my amazement it brought the console back, however it has a 0003 error (as i expected it too after such a reflow) based on the simple fact that when I flowed the board, instead of the beads of solder melting and curing to the chip, they fucking started to fall out beneath the GPU and rolled onto my floor (i lol'd pretty hard)

    Still though, the console is still drawing current to the chips, and is more or less alive, however it obviously wont boot, it stays stuck at flashing 0003

    At this point a reflow wont buff out those scratches. Looking for a professional REBALL service here for my XDK's GPU and probably the CPU as well, anyone know of any?




    The little devkit that couldn't
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  2. proarturs

    proarturs The force is with me

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    I know the fact that you are going to say goodbye to at least 50$
     
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  3. Stipo360

    Stipo360 Dead Rising & XDKs

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    better then 150$~ for a new board ;)
     
  4. VaNDAL

    VaNDAL Active Member

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    Well powering it on with out the heat sinks on you have just destroyed the CPU and or GPU!! Sorry but, Well done!

    That is now an "X" box!

    The CPU can't be replaced as it's married to the board. NEVER switch on a modern device without a heat sink that needs it. It will instantly fry the die!
     
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  5. Stipo360

    Stipo360 Dead Rising & XDKs

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    The console has been sitting without its heatsinks for months now, the reason they arent on is simply because the console doesnt work anymore, not gonna leave two heavy pieces of metal on the board that doesnt work. Not one time when actually USING the console would i or any normal human being use the xdk without heatsinks. Thats just obvious.
     
  6. N64 freak

    N64 freak Spirited Member

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    Well in the above picture you're definitely "using" the console!
    I can clearly see the motherboard of an Xbox360 XDK with the power cord plugged in and turned on without any heatsinks attached. The Xbox360 does produce a lot of heat on relatively small die area. The heat will kill the die almost instantly (well it takes a few seconds in reality...) when it's turned on. I don't know if the CPU and GPU get powerered up if the console is in a RROD 0003 state but if it does provide them with power (and that's what i guess it does) you almost sure just killed the board.

    You can of course try to get a reball done but after a few "repairs" using a heatgun and eing powered on without heatsinks attached i guess there is not much life left here.
    Well and that's just if there is any chance to repair it at all!

    What VaNDAL means is that the CPU is married to the Nand. Or better the encrypted content of the Nand.
    You can of course replace the GPU against a same revision retail part but the CPU has the special fuseset that makes it a Development kit CPU.

    Keep us updated if you can get it back to work!
    And please just leave the heatsinks installed to the board the next time!
    You most likely did more damage to the board when removing them than if you simply left them on.
     
  7. kingkat

    kingkat Robust Member

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    This is not true.
     
  8. VaNDAL

    VaNDAL Active Member

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    Well you can swap GPU from different Xbox but no the CPU. Also while the console is in RROD state the CPU and GPU's are powered on. Try putting your finder on one or both of the die's then turn the Xbox on. Let us know if you get 3rd degree burns or not? If you don't it's knackered.
     
  9. Stipo360

    Stipo360 Dead Rising & XDKs

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    I only plugged it in for a few seconds to take this picture, no other reason. With 0003 the chips dont heat up, no actual voltage is hitting the main chips with a 0003 error

    in a nutshell

    relax.
     
  10. Cygnos360

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    Thats bullshit. You can swap the CPU. You also have to swap the nand with it. And may change some resistors near the nand.
    The best solution is you give the console to someone who swaps the CPU and Nand to a retail board.

    @Stipo360: When you hear a short buzzing sound when you power on the Xbox 360 than you f**ked up the GPU completly.
     
  11. Stipo360

    Stipo360 Dead Rising & XDKs

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    Yep i hear the buzzing, well its fucked lmao.

    Oh well, ill buy a new board
     
  12. kingkat

    kingkat Robust Member

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    You can swap a CPU with a replacement from the same manufacturer then use a new paired NAND, but that would be useless for an XDK as a new CPU + NAND combo would cost the same as complete replacement board and exponentially harder to find. A retail CPU will not work just because it will be on a dev board (at least as a devkit) as it is still burned as a retail unit.
     
  13. XeDK

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    You can have the GPU replaced and showed work fine if everything else is still good. I know that xJonnyGunsx on YouTube does Reballs but he is moving atm and he is in the US i'm sure you know him.

    https://www.youtube.com/user/XJonnyGunsX
     
  14. shawnunderse7en

    shawnunderse7en Active Member

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    Depending on how much damage you've done, it might not even be repairable, and this is coming from someone that does these types of repairs. 0003 does usually equal to a dead GPU, and also if im correct, that motherboard will be using a Xenon GPU (had quite a few Zephyr kits I reballed that will not work using the HDMI GPU). Before reflowing it, you should have removed the expoxy, so the chip could get some wiggle space for everything to be nice and snug. You might also end up with some never ending issues such as 0020, 0102, or 0110 which will almost never go away no matter what you do. Just some heads up, and good luck!
     
  15. Stipo360

    Stipo360 Dead Rising & XDKs

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    Thanks for the info shawn! i think its safe to say my best bet is to wait until someone on the market is down to sell only the internels of a kit, mobo, dvd drive, etc. This console came to me in a non working order sadly, it was a shame, but the sidecar, case, and everything is saved. I dont mind buying another motherboard really, zephyrs are junk, im in the market for at least a jasper kit mobo, that autta last a good while.
     
  16. XeChris

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    have you checked the mosfets? I've read that 0003's can be caused by a faulty mosfet.
     
  17. CodeAsm

    CodeAsm Site Supporter 20??

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    It is said before, running a cpu or gpu without heatsinks is bad, but it wont *instant* kill it. it basicly can do a "reflow" (EDIT, no, no reflow.)
    but better check with a pro reballer and/or get some new CPU/nand or GPU (i think starting with a new GPU to see if it helps. )

    XeChris: https://xbox-experts.com/errorcode/E03/0003/ ? Then Mosfets and voltage checks are a "cheap" fix if they where

    EDIT: See Bad_Ad84 comment. its definitly only temporarely and not good for the board and cpu/gpu.
     
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  18. Bad_Ad84

    Bad_Ad84 Keyboard Error: Press F1 to Continue

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    No it cant. To reflow it needs to hit around 230c, it will die (and therefore stop generating heat) long before that.
     
  19. dans87

    dans87 Site Supporter 2013,14,15

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    slight hijack here but , what exactly did the towel trick do then ?
     
  20. Bad_Ad84

    Bad_Ad84 Keyboard Error: Press F1 to Continue

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    Most likely warped the motherboard so the damaged solder balls make contact again. its also why it never lasted very long.
     

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